Who Is Their God?

I recklessly thought that if something could save this election, it would be the faithfulness of Christian followers on a spiritual journey of seeing creation as God does – worth fighting for. Christians would be the ones exercising their witness in order to defeat a whiteness that does not care whom it has to destroy on its path towards power, and ultimately toward a perverse kind of deification . . . God’s followers are supposed to rebel against this idolatrous notion. I hoped that most white Christians would resist this idolatry, that they would refuse to join their white identities with the ideology of whiteness. I was wrong. oredeinOluwatomisim Oredein, “White Christianity, and How Hope Was Wrong”

Late in the evening of Election Day, as Jeanne and I watched a slow-motion train wreck unfolding before our eyes, the results of exit polls kept reminding us of which demographic was responsible, despite virtually every poll running up to the election, for what appeared to be happening. “I’m really getting tired of white people,” I said. Nothing that has happened over the days since has changed my mind. But there’s one particular subset of my skin-tone demographic that I particularly am confused by. White Christians.

Over the past many months, I have occasionally written on this blog and social media outlets about my confusion as to why evangelical Christians were supporting Donald Trump in large numbers. Truth be told, though, I treated it as first a humorous, then a puzzling phenomenon, but never seriously thought it would be ultimately more than a curiosity and a footnote to this strangest and nastiest of campaigns. But upon learning in the aftermath of the election that more than eighty percent of self-identified white evangelical Christians voted for the President-elect, I find myself suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance and general sadness.dissonance

Paragraphs such as the following from an article a few days ago in The Washington Post don’t help:

In the age of Trump, what is a Christian?

“It really makes you feel great to be a Christian,” one person told The Washington Post. “I think Christians took a big stand this time and said we’re going to stand up for our faith,” said a second. Referring to Trump, a third said, “I feel like we actually have an advocate now in the White House.”

Perhaps as a Christian I should not admit this, but everyone time I read or hear something like this, I have a serious WTF?!?!? moment. wtfThe problem is that I know the evangelical Christian world intimately. I was raised in it, the foundations of my faith and my moral code were laid in it, and many members of my family whom I love are still squarely in the middle of it. Although for various important reasons I have not placed the adjective “evangelical” in front of my Christian commitment for decades, I have been regularly grateful for much that I learned about my faith, about scripture, and about myself under the tutelage of conservative, evangelical Christianity. But what I learned did not include xenophobia, racism, misogyny, sexual abuse, boorishness, or building walls. I must profess that I am thoroughly and profoundly confused.

I was reminded when reading a similar article in The New York Times a couple of days ago of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr’s famous 1963 “Letter From Birmingham Jail,” a text that I used to teach frequently toward the end of the final semester of my college’s four-semester “Development of Western Civilization” course that I regularly participate in.king From an Alabama prison cell, Dr. King wrote that when he was drafted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Ala., he believed that the white Christian church would support him. Instead, he discovered some white ministers were outright opponents; others were “more cautious than courageous and . . . remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained glass windows.” In the face of blatant racial and economic injustice, King expressed disappointment at seeing white church leaders “stand on the sideline and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities.” He spoke of travelling throughout the South and looking its “beautiful churches with their lofty spires pointing heavenward . . .     Over and over I have found myself asking: ‘What kind of people worship here? Who is their God?’”

I have wondered the same things many times over the years, but never as frequently as during the past two weeks. I understand the various reasons why people might have voted for the President-elect, although I think their choice is one that they and our country will soon bitterly regret. But packaging such a vote as a resounding victory for Christian belief and commitment not only baffles me—it offends me. I have always believed that the Christian faith is a large tent. It must be if someone like me can accurately call himself a Christian. But I’m not sure that any tent is large enough to cover both a person who believes our President-elect is a God-given answer to prayer and me. If the President-elect is truly a standard-bearer for how the Christian faith is to look in practice, count me out. I want nothing to do with it. liberalBut because I am convinced that this is not the case, and since—as I often say—I am a liberal because I am a Christian, I continue to believe that Jesus does not call us to exclude everyone but those most like us, does not call us to build walls, and would have us neither disrespect women nor mock persons with disabilities.

In an opinion piece written less than a week after the election, the former editor of the largest evangelical Christian publication in the nation wrote the following:

I was an evangelical magazine editor, but now I can’t defend my evangelical community.ct

The night that Donald Trump was elected president, I got very little sleep. Surely the wine I sipped as a wave of red swept from east to west across that horrible, televised electoral map didn’t help. But I managed to have one vivid dream. In it, I’m standing on a stage in a stadium full of fellow Christians. And I’m telling them that they voted for the wrong candidate, and that Trump’s presidency will prove to be a grave mistake.

Wednesday greeted me as it did half the voting population, with waves of grief. But since then, the grief has turned into a more complex emotion — something like soul abandonment.

I pray for healing, clarity and enlightenment for persons of all faiths, as well as those of no faith, as we seek our ways forward.

44 thoughts on “Who Is Their God?

  1. Doug Sloand

    What is not the character of my God?
    • Santa Claus, Tinkerbell, a wizard, genie, leprechaun, fairy godmother, insurance agent, lottery, four-leaf clover, wishing well, magic lantern, or birthday cake
    • A vending machine or engaging in “quid pro quo” transactions, trading or bartering, purchasing or selling favors or insurance or protection
    • Of individuals and groups, neither favors nor disfavors, neither approves nor disapproves, neither rewards nor punishes, and is neither a national icon nor a national protector
    • A vampire requiring blood.
    • A kidnapper demanding ransom.
    • An extortionist or bridge troll demanding payment.
    • A medieval lord requiring the punishment, injury, or death of a vassal/serf to satisfy a perceived offense by the vassal/serf of an honor code defined and administered by the lord.
    • A psychic, medium, fortune-teller, time lord or who – in any way – knows, controls, directs, shapes, or influences the future to limit our options or force us to make a specific choice.
    • A psychopath cruelly creating an inescapable binary choice between either the tortuous death of Jesus as a sacrifice/debt payment/ransom/penal substitution or a personal eternal punishment.
    • A puppet-master pulling every string of every person and every event and all matter and all energy.
    • A disciplinarian, gym teacher, sport coach, or drill instructor toughening us for the rough rigors of life.
    • A mad scientist experimenting with the universe capriciously manipulating any variable.
    • A Greco-Roman deity who needs mindless obedience and endless appeasement and praise.
    • An avenging wrathful warrior or a militant conqueror or a violent ruthless enforcer of redemptive violence
    • A personification, purveyor, supporter, or enabler of hate or destruction
    • A referee, umpire, or judge in a court of law
    • The ultimate micromanaging tyrant
    • A joker, prankster, fool, or liar
    • An executioner or murderer or destroyer or abuser or blood-thirsty predator
    • An enemy or bully or a source of fear
    • In any way, a danger or a threat
    • Distant or inaccessible or scarce

    What is the character of my God?
    The Divine is
    unrestrained boundless Love
    expressed extravagantly and uncontrollably


    unconditional Grace
    provided freely with no exceptions and no restrictions and
    no obligations and no pre-conditions and
    is neither a gift nor a debt and
    Grace is not a Divine action.

    Love and Grace are the very essence of what and who is the Divine and
    perfectly defines and encompasses the Divine participation in the relationship with us.

    a persuasive persistent presence of fearlessness and gracious excellence that is always near and accessible and
    whose desire is for each of us to live a long healthy life as a journey
    full of abundant
    love, peace,
    joy, contentment,
    companionship, community,
    simplicity, growth,
    curiosity, exploration,
    discovery, knowledge,
    wisdom, hope.

  2. Kris Behnke

    I am white and I am a Christian, but like you, I was/am horrified at how the “Evangelicals” could vote the way they did. I was raised by conservative Christians. In many ways, my beliefs are the same as theirs. Over the years (I’m 51 y/o), I’ve been more and more distraught by some of their beliefs and how they treat others (specifically anyone who is not white, straight, or has had an abortion). I see no compassion or empathy from them. I see them not caring. Prior to the election, I was in a conservative group. I never spoke up until the election came up and I saw the hate they were spewing. I couldn’t be quiet anymore. They told me that I was in bed with satan and that my soul was not worth saving. I couldn’t stand the hate, so I left the group. This is why I am a liberal Christian. On election night, it felt like my stomach was being ripped out of me. I’m still trying to recover. I can not imagine how it must feel for those who are not white or straight. While I’m sure that there are some decent conservative, white Christians, there are not enough. I think those Christians who voted for the president-elect need to do some soul searching and deeper Bible study. They are missing what Jesus taught….what God is really about. My heart is breaking over this election and what they were OK voting in. Please just know that all white Christians are not like that. There are many of us who cannot stand the hate that was voted into office.

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. I know that not all white Christians are like that–I worship with many who are not at the little Episcopal church my wife and I attend every week. I also cannot stand the hate, some of which has been turned on me for this post!

    2. Roger Whited

      I am Christian. I voted for Trump. Maybe I want an America that speaks for the life of the unborn. The real question – How could you vote for Her?!! All she did for 30 years was blabber about how much she did for the “children” but when it came to protecting those in the womb, silence. Ask yourself, what God do you serve? I think 80% of the church got it right. Maybe you got it all wrong.

      1. vancemorgan Post author

        Roger, thank you for your comments. Here are a few questions I ask in return:
        Are you aware that “pro-choice Christian” is not an oxymoron?
        Are you aware that Christianity is not a “one issue” way of life? Check out the Sermon on the Mount–there’s an awful lot more going on there than one thing.
        How dedicated are you to voting for someone on the basis of your issue? If Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, or Pol Pot ran for office on a “pro-life” platform, would you vote for him?
        Are you as committed to the lives of the unborn after they are born as you are while they are in utero? The person you criticize has spent decades dedicated to the lives of children who are actually here. What are you doing?
        The God I serve imperfectly is not a “one-issue” God–the God I serve continually directs me to ask, as Micah asks, “What does the Lord require of me? To do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly.” That requires a lot more than taking an “at all costs” stance on one issue.

        1. Namaste

          Yes I wonder the same thing, I hear so many people speak out against abortion and I hear many of the same people speak so adamantly against any welfare for poverty stricken mothers and their families. People on welfare are looked down upon and treated so poorly for needing assistance. This is so very confusing to me.

  3. Namaste Soto

    I am a Christian. I agree and love “I’m a liberal because I’m a Christian” I am confused I can’t stop thinking about it. I questioned my faith many times “am I wrong?” I prayed I begged God to tell me what I was doing wrong, where my beliefs were wrong in His eyes. I couldn’t possibly imagine walking in this Christian faith if this is what my God was telling me to follow. Couldn’t do it! Ever. I am white. I believe I am called to do as Jesus did when He took on our sin and shame..I take responsibility for this and I will continue to as more destruction comes from the sins of my race and continue to lay it at His feet. I have been humbled before my God through all of this. God has taught me so much and still is. My mind is still in constant distress and confusion though. My heart is broken. My husband is Mexican-American, my children biracial. This deep racism and misogyny, that has always been here but is being revealed more so has..me..broken. I can’t talk to my husband about this as he doesn’t want to it. He handles it differently gets “over” things faster and says we’ll just move if need be. I’m fearful that when trump can’t follow through on his promises of jobs he will blame Mexican immigrants more so or any other race for that matter.

    I read a blog that helped me understand these Christians I will share it with you if you want. It helped me. It helped me to see where they get “programmed” I don’t want to be programmed by the worlds beliefs. I want Jesus I need Jesus. I want to love others the way He did. Also I don’t know who to trust in the Christian faith but I keep looking to God! Love and peace to you!

    1. Janet French

      Wonderful comments. I am a white Christian woman whose county voted 80% Trump. I have felt very isolated and confused over the recent election and the fact that 81% of white evangelical Christians voted for Trump. I cannot reconcile Gods precious word and Trump’s actions and beliefs. I’m flabbergasted. I became an admirer of Dr King when I first read “Letters From a Birmingham Jail”, and recommend it to every Christian.

      1. vancemorgan Post author

        Thanks so much for your comments–I’m encouraged that this essay has generated so much positive response.

    2. Gwen

      I agree with you. It is hard to know what is truth, why are people who seemingly love God can believe such bizarre things. And do those beliefs have consequences? I cannot answer all those questions, but i know this about the character of God–He is true, good, faithful, completely trustworthy. He does not get worked up about choices we make. In Psalm 50 , He stayed–you think because I am quiet that i think like you do. That’s the bottom line for me. He will reveal the truth that is in men’s hearts, which is the truth that counts regardless of what things look like or what people do. He will do it ‘at the right time’– His time. I have to remain faithful to what His Word says and His character is, in the meantime.

  4. Shelly Jameson

    I too do not understand. I am a Christian and liberal and I have no idea how the people that voted for that man call themselves a Christian. I have really struggled with this because not for one second do I believe that my Jesus would want this person in charge of anything. I love my church and on Wednesday after election I drove around trying to go to church but I couldn’t. I was afraid that the pastor would include the newly elected president and I was in no way ready for praying for him. I talked to God about it and have told Him how I feel and believe He is giving me time to get where I need to be I honestly have so many issues with that newly elected! I live in a very Republican state, Oklahoma. It’s always been difficult for me because of the difference in beliefs that I have from those around me. I have been asked where I’m from so many times, but born and raised right here. With that being said, it truly must be inside each of us and not just learned. I feel like an outsider most of the time here. I know a few other liberals, and I mean a few. I have often thought if you wanted a quick death just admit to being liberal in Oklahoma, the SW part of that state and BANG your dead. I say that joking now, I hope, but I did believe that for most of my life and I’m 51.
    I know God’s got our backs and He will prevail. I also know He works in mysterious ways, this one has got to take the cake on mysterious I think.
    Your article touched me, and I am so very thankful that I read it and know I’m not alone in my wondering, I pray and know my God who on earth is the God those folks are praying to? They don’t match up.
    Thank you, Our God will see us through this! Amen!!
    Shelly Jameson

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. I feel for you living in Oklahoma; at least where I live (Rhode Island) here in the Northeast, it is possible to find people of like mind and faith.

  5. Namaste

    Patheos.com is the site Morgan Guyton’s blog
    Titled if Donald Trump wins I blame toxic Christianity… Prayers of peace and love <3

  6. Janni

    I am white, grew up in a conservative Christian church (A/G) and am heart broken. The 81% do not speak for me. I have no home there any longer. I am as baffled as you how they can say “praise the Lord” about the election results. I am afraid, worried & deeply disappointed. I stand w you. The only reason I claimed my skin tone is so you would know there are many others like me who feel the pain. Bless you!

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Thanks so much for your comments–I am encouraged today by the many expressions of support and solidarity both here on the blog and on Facebook.

  7. Mary

    While Trump is by no means perfect, his very positive stance on Israel, and his positive inclination towards Christianity made him a far better choice for Christians than Hillary.

    Both Obama & Hillary were planning to hijack the mobile FEMA camps for use as concentration camps for Bible-believing Christians – especially those who opposed her gay agenda.

    And the Camp guards were to be the Muslims that Obama was bringing into Amerika en-masse.

    White Christians understood this with crystal clarity. Christians of color allowed Hillary’s multicultural agenda to totally distort their voting intentions for the election.

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      I couldn’t disagree with you more–your conspiracy theory about FEMA camps is laughably ridiculous. Which fake news source did you get it from?

    2. Heidi

      Mary, Please…before you speak or write such things, pray. This tale of FEMA camps, Muslim guards, etc; I truly don’t know where you heard any of this, but none of it’s true.

  8. Janice Stallings

    I appreciate greatly what you have shared. Post-election days have been soul-searching and soul-sorrowing times for me. Many conservative Christians tell me that their great issue in the election was abortion. I am in solidarity with them on the sanctity of life, but the current conservative movement is out of touch with today’s realities. I think some folks believe that somehow we can turn the clock back 50 or 60 years. For example, 55 or 60 years ago there was no prenatal testing to diagnose Down syndrome, nor was there open-heart surgery. Down’s babies were diagnosed after birth, their heart congenital defects went untreated, and their average lifespan was 10 years. Nature took its tragic course, the families felt shamed and silenced, and so these cases were invisible to others. Current medical and educational advances offer children with Down syndrome much fuller lives, but technology can also be used to diagnose and terminate them as fetuses. Some conservative Christians express outrage over the latter, while failing to count the cost of the former. I did a little research. As of 2010, about 3100 babies with Down’s were terminated yearly. One source put the average cost of an infant’s heart surgery at about $92,500. Such costs are more than almost any parent can afford out of pocket, yet some conservatives claim disdain for health care assistance such as Medicaid. What would it cost to provide postnatal cardiac care for all unborn babies with Down syndrome? I haven’t even mentioned the costs that eye surgery, gut surgery, or special education and therapy may require. I earnestly hope for a world where all parents feel free to choose life for their unborn babies with disabilities. And it is going to cost money…lots of it. Have conservatives counted the cost? I fear they have not. I think they believe that banning abortion will take them back to a world where such painful decisions and great costs do not exist. It may be difficult for them to realize that the pain and costs were always there in some form. They were simply off typical folks’ radar back in the day.

    1. Susan Waugh

      Jane, I understood from the news that there was a huge divide in Britain that was as deep as ours. Brexit? I am trying to understand your perspective. I believe a minority of British people attend church or claim to be Christian. Is that right? It isn’t so in the United States. A majority claim to be Christian.

  9. Robin

    I love your honesty, passion, and effort. I have asked myself these very questions, so it’s nice to be validated . although I’m a huge user of the WTF moment??? line, your use here surprised me. I think your target audience will tune out when they see that (though I do hope this goes viral). This is freelancechristianity.com, so maybe the standard rules don’t apply?

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Thanks so much for your comments! You’re right, the usual rules don’t apply when one calls oneself a “freelance Christian.” Although I hope this blog post and others get read by the white, conservative Evangelicals I am writing about, they definitely are not my target audience.

  10. David Henry

    I am a white Baptist raised in an evangelical congregation. The conversations I have with other”Christians” about Trump and the dire ruin of our country baffle me. I can see no gospel in the actions of suppression, greed and separation. I feel a deep sense of reject from a faith I once saw as home.

  11. Bruce Whitney

    Thank you so much for your wise and consoling words. I too felt absolutely sick. I am a 61 year old White, Congregational pastor (have pastored for nearly 40 years, mostly in Presbyterian USA congregations). I just cannot wrap my mind around this election, the choice seemed so clear: NOT THIS MAN, EVER! The hate, anger, divisiveness, the offense to my Lord and Savior and all Jesus is and died for!!! Really. As I watched the results it became apparent, I am so ashamed of my race, but most of all my peer “Christians?” I feel so impotent, having preached, and led this small church community, we work with the poorest of the poor, and yet to have members betray the faith, the walk the journey! I cannot wrap my head around this, it is just so very very sad…. I am heart-broken and just sick…. it is hard to stand in the pulpit now, and face the very faces that I feel betrayed my Savior and betrayed their beliefs… and to find out why, or for what? I feel at times saying well, go ahead now with no insurance (ACA has insured thousands who went with nothing in our county…)go ahead and feed those poor, send our fellow, loved Nigerian home before he can be issued legal status… really??? Close down the only “Bread of Life, pantry” cut off heating assistance, give up your SS and pensions…. it’s so sad… But then there is my Savior & Lord, who is still God and God is still in control… maybe it’s what we must do now, stand firm in Love and Grace and remember the remnant has always been just that a remnant… Praise God for those who will continue to love, to live lives of Grace & Peace and serve even those who have fallen so far and or never were… disciples… Again thanks for he article and the time to share… Peace be with you! In Christ…..

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Wow, thank you so much for your comments, Bruce. I am a preacher’s kid–my fundamentalist Baptist minister father would have been appalled by what has happened.

  12. Gregory Moore

    I am a white Christian male. I am as baffled by the “Christian” vote as you are. I know the excuses they are making very well: 1. Abortion 2. Supreme Court. But at some point you’d think these “Christians” would wake up and realize the wool has been pulled over their eyes and their single-issue voting is being used to funnel power into a very godless agenda. A godless agenda that features rolling back justice for those who lack justice, and rewards power to those who are already punch drunk on power.

    I remain positive about my fellow Christians and hold the hope that they are sincere that their reasons revolved strictly around the abortion and Supreme Court selections. But I fear they have hitched their wagons to an anti-Christ (don’t read THE antichrist, more just AN anti-Christ). The fact that they would so easily capitulate to this is quite heartbreaking and scary. I’m still processing what this means for our future.

    Jesus entered the world in dark times. He gave his message and his sacrifice. Justice for him was not necessarily served in his earthly lifetime. Christians should NEVER expect that justice will ever be truly served until the next promised Kingdom. But that doesn’t mean we don’t band together and work for it in this kingdom.

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      “At some point you’d think these “Christians” would wake up and realize the wool has been pulled over their eyes and their single-issue voting is being used to funnel power into a very godless agenda.” I love that, and with your permission will use it with certain people in my life! Thanks for your comments–let’s keep fighting the good fight.

  13. Laura Smith

    By the very nature of non-church going, freelance Christians, I am isolated so it’s great to be presented with your site and opinions. This trauma reminds me why I did not congregate before, but now, it’s probably a good idea to find a group of like minded Christians.

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Like-minded Christians are out there, but don’t tend to congregate in the traditional places. Thanks for your comments–I really appreciate them.

  14. Ed Middlebrook

    I found the election results disappointing. In retrospect, I suppose I shouldn’t have been that surprised. There seems to be a myth out there about how bad this country is and who is responsible. “Trump is pushing back eight years of darkness” ( I actually heard this very bad pun in a news interview last week).

    I spent a lot of time 20-25 years ago seeking God in Evangelical circles. It just seems like they are (as I used to be..) afraid of a lot of things like: salvation, forces of darkness, the moral decay in the World…and our American culture (as they see it!). For me, this kind of narrow God didn’t seem to bring a lot of joy, peace, or love for their fellow Men/Women in the World. This may sound unkind and stereotypical of me, but I never found much “light” in those places.

    I am a 61 yr old white male who came from the South, then moved to L.A. about twenty-five years ago. I’m fond of saying, living there cured my homo-phobia, my fear of other races and cultures, and being comfortable with other philosophies, religions and ideas. I changed a lot and my ideas about God changed as well. I swiched from Hell-fire to Love! We don’t need to burn it all down to make God happy!
    Recognizing there is always work to do in our walk through this life, I’ve tried to turn my spiritual path towards inner-peace, and finding joy from my beliefs. Having all these worries and fears about some “dark, fallen” World is not how I choose to operate. I believe the Creator made us all perfect not just that 2% or so of the World’s population who might fall into the favorable graces of that Evangelical God they are following. God loves us all.

  15. Susan Waugh

    Vance, as I read your article, I felt that someone else “got” what I felt about how confusing it is that so many “Christians” voted for Trump. All of my “Christian” relatives voted for him. I’m still reeling from that. I came back to this article today and saw something else. You seem to lay the entire blame for Trump’s election on WHITE evangelicals. In all fairness, many people did not turn out to vote on election day including people of color. The 46% who didn’t bother to vote hold some responsibility as well. That knowledge does not take away the sting and confusion I feel about fellow Christians voting for Trump. I feel lost and abandoned. I am beginning a search for a church that really lives out the teachings of Jesus.

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      I by no means lay 100% of the blame for the election results on white evangelical Christians–you are right that the blame extends to many places. In this essay I’m particularly focused on that demographic because it is where I come from–and I don’t get it. Thanks for your comments.

      1. Stuart

        The important thing for evangelicals is that, even though 19% did not vote for him, enough did that they are now tarred with the brush of people who are racist, judgmental, nationalistic and hostile to strangers. Scripture has a lot to say about that. Christians will be identified with the negative characteristics of his supporters, and they won’t be known for their love. The world may not know Jesus, but it sure knows what love isn’t. I’m afraid that the number of “nones” will increase because of this.

  16. Stuart

    The upcoming events will be the opportunity for those who supported Mr. Trump to think deeply about the meaning of they have done. They will surely be confronted daily with decisions and statements that fly in the face of the gospel. Are they more white, more anti-whoever, more willing to compromise spiritual integrity for political ends or are they Christian? Let’s see how long it takes for people to decide where they are on the most important question they will ever have to answer. This is an opportunity for people to answer the question, “To whom you belong?” As Robert Jones in “The End of Christian America” has suggested, this may be the time for church members to understand whether they love their baggage more than they love Jesus.

    1. vancemorgan Post author

      Thank you so much for your comments. I particularly like your citing of Robert Jones–“Baggage or Jesus?” A great question.


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